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CNN
Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm PST
that they elected obama by a few percentage points, the exit polls also asked, would you like to raise taxes to reduce the deficit, 63% said no. 86% of the ads run for obama were personal attacks on romney. he won a stunning mandate to not be romney. he did not run on the basis he was going to do massive new spending and the kind of tax increases, $1.6 trillion that he's now talking about. and at the same time that obama was elected president, the republican house, which had twice voted for a real budget -- remember, the president's budget he claims he has a mandate for was put up before the house and the democrats all voted against it. in the senate, the democrats didn't want to have anything to do with it. it's a little hard to argue, he had a mandate for something the rest of his party ran away from. >> well -- >> did not run ads on those issues. >> and, of course, it was a bit more complicated than that. but to your point about the exit polls, it's true, most people said that they didn't want tax increases to solve the deficit. what they said -- the majority, was they wanted both balance
CNN
Nov 28, 2012 5:00pm PST
obama's position means that taxes are going you up one way or another. congressman cole as you heard, they believe they should give this one to the president not because they want to, but because they have to. republican leaders though, they disagree. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. it will hurt our economy, that is why this is not the right approach. >> you can agree or disagree with that position. however, keeping them honest, house speaker and others have been trying to play down the fact that president obama and others got a significant boost from voters. in politics there is the temptation from those who win office to think that they have a mandate to do what they will. they re-elected the house republicans. so whether people intended or not, we have divided government. >> the american people made clear that there is no mandate for raising tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. more than two in three peo
CNBC
Dec 4, 2012 1:00pm EST
, which means any lower tax rates president obama will ask for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have right now. so, yes, democrats are not as bad off as the republicans, but that doesn't mean they s
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 1:00pm PST
you have it wrong. >> what does slashing the tax code -- >> this whole notion, like president obama has this fetish, we have to raise the rates on the top 2% to raise the deficit -- >> ron, ron, just one -- just one second. >> i'm almost -- >> no, you're -- ron, your narrow -- i'm sorry, ron, but you're now doing what eric can'ter, you're saying the sense the president has been speaking and converting it into a psychiatric condition. you're describing it as a fetish. in fact, it's neither of those, as you know. the president -- >> let me finish my thought here. just so we can clarify that. we're not going to diminish the president's comments as a psychiatric illness. he's argued this based on economis economists. it's not nonsense, an illness. >> first of all, going back to my core argument, the idea if you're grg toç take $89 billioa year and reduce the deficit, it's laughable in its face. the president is calling for more spending with his new stimulus. number two. point number two, the democrats have shown nothing by way of spending cuts. julian talks about there's $1.6 trillio
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 10:00pm PST
raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are going along with the former chief of staff said.
CNN
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am PST
will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
CNN
Nov 30, 2012 2:00am PST
the hour. jitters for small business owners. president obama is calling for $1.6 trillion in tax spikes. john boehner is telling him to get serious. >> with 32 days left, the two parties are trading insults with 90% of americans facing higher taxes next year. small business owners want answers. poppy harlow is talking to them. they are very nervous about this. >> very nervous and frustrated. they have no idea what is ahead. that uncertainty is the hard part. we went to new jersey to talk to owners of very different businesses that are equally frustrated that washington can't get it together. >> any company, any business did the method of accounting like the government, we would be in jail. >> you sound like you have had it. >> i have. here is the reservations. staffed 24 hours a day. >> reporter: he started the business back in 1984. today, he's got a staff of 75. 53 cars and one big question. >> i just want congress to tell me to come up with what the boundaries are so i know -- i know how to run my business, i know how to plan. >> reporter: he's laid off four employees in the last six
MSNBC
Dec 1, 2012 2:00am PST
suburbs and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. the taxes will go up for the top 2%. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that doesn't make sense. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. that's already passed the senate. your members of congress, like allyson and chaka, other democrats in the house, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, it will land on my desk, and i am ready, i have got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> 30 minutes after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner held a press conference, and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupling that 98% from the richest 2%, and h
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
$800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly
CNN
Nov 30, 2012 12:00am PST
president obama's attempt to try and do a fiscal cliff deal? >> with $1.6 trillion in new taxes, i think probably half a second. >> when you see the apparent attempt at a bipartisan lunch going on today between obama and romney, it was all very sweet and everything, the reality is the picture was about as uncomfortable as the relationship is between the two sides, and again, frank, how do we get to a better place in washington? how do we get these guys to realize, let me throw this at you. i interviewed mike tyson an hour ago. fantastic interview in many ways. what i found really fascinating and relevant to this, he talks about when he goes back to the streets he grew up in in new york, what real people care about. they care about their homes, they care about their jobs, they care about feeding their children. he got quite passionate about it. i just don't get that these politicians squabbling in d.c. care about those things enough or they would stop this politicking over things like a fiscal cliff. what do you think, frank? >> they care in largest part about staying in office and one of
CNN
Nov 30, 2012 5:00pm PST
is open to a deal that includes some new tax revenues. he's also said president obama has an incentive to allow the country to just go on over the fiscal cliff. and then blame the republicans for it. just before we went on air tonight, senator max bachus, who chairs the senate finance committee, a democrat, indicated that scenario isn't out of the realm of possibility. listen to how he put it. >> if the other side is completely intransigent that the president has probably no choice but to say okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would not be my first preference. >> yeah. the senator pretty serious about that. bottom line, tonight both sides say that talks are stalled. the democrats are turning up the pressure on republicans. in a moment, our political panel will have some fun with this one, certainly about the president's opening offer, but first, congressman lee terry joins me live. i know there's a bit of a delay so i will ask the question, we can wait a moment and i will get your answer. i love it when politicians talk from the hip, especially using colorful language like "w
CNN
Dec 1, 2012 3:00pm PST
cuts and tax hikes. house republicans and president obama need to strike a deal on reducing the national debt. they have soundly rejected a white house offer that included $1.6 trillion in revenue, $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings, as well as a permanent increase in the debt limit among other things. so far, the rhetoric has not softened. treasury secretary tim geithner arriving on capitol hill for high level talks, most notably with house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. >> how did it go? just listen. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious. about real spending cuts. >> a much gloomier assessment from the initial prethanksgiving huddle at the white house. boehner described his meeting with geithner as frank and direct, the same way he described his phone call with the president the night before. and for the past two weeks there has been no substantive progress. >> most public statements have been optimistic, confident, hopeful. we're all sensing a very different tone f
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 9:00am PST
obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luke. it's an exciting time on capitol hill my friend. i want to focus first on the gop. is the party coming together, coalescing around something, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue the negotiations and not give a single inch. the gop has done very well over the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. they've held a hard line to the very end including during the debt limit where john boehner is allowed to say he got 98% of what he wanted. what you have to look for is the splinter that tom cole started last week, heard mr. chris toll say about how the president has an effective bully pulpit he can go around the count
CNN
Dec 4, 2012 12:00am PST
/"the washington post" poll believes they should raise taxes on those over $250,000 a year. presumably president obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and we go over it, the american public are likely to blame the republicans. >> well, that's absolutely true, piers. we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly
FOX News
Dec 6, 2012 2:00pm PST
. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the rich. now he says that the republicans are holding hostage for the lower and middle class. the tax cuts will expire. hypocrisy knows no bounds. >> bob: you just keep shooting your mouth off over and over about this stuff. i said if they came up with a deal on inflation adjustment on social security it would save money. >> dana: cola adjustment is not a big deal. >> bob: yes, you talk about a significant amount of money over ten years. here is the problem. means testing for medicare. >> eric: the problem is everything that -- [ overtalk ] >> eric: everything on the table won't solve the debt problem. >> andrea: that is right. >> eric: won't stop it. >> bob: what will it? >> eric: fiscal cliff will. >> andrea: the plan that the democrats put forward is to give tax breaks to business owners. these are gimmicky schemes. cola adjustment. to it is not going to do anything. it's a p.r. stunt to go around the country to say look at what we put
FOX News
Dec 6, 2012 5:00pm EST
us. president obama is blackmailing saying if you don't do this, if you don't raise taxes on 2%, this is what will happen. >> eric: can i take issue with that? what if we don't go off the fiscal cliff? we are about sequestration later and do the game with the tax hike and spending cuts. we have the same thing? $20 trillion in the hole in four years, 25 trillion in nine years. nothing will change. this place is bankrupt. >> greg: president obama is obsessed with the 2%. like the crazy stalker breaking in david letterman's help. he hates the rich. it is not going to end. in two years we come back and deal with this. >> eric: why don't you want to go off the fiscal cliff? >> bob: a lot of people will get hurt. i don't care if the 2% will get hurt. >> greg: you hate rich people. >> bob: i don't hate them. they're all right. they give money to philharmonic. >> greg: without rich peopl people, there would be no government. >> bob: a deal is worked out as we speak. there will be a deal and include some increase. maybe not the entire for the upper income people. there will be adjustmen
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 11:00am PST
to get more money from wealthy people. president obama, you know the deal, he wants to raise tax rates for the wealthy. house speaker john boehner wants to close tax loopholes, limit deductions for the wealthy. let's stay on the hill here, let's talk to senior congressional correspondent dana bash. we know the speaker -- we know speaker boehner met with conservative republicans today. did he get any backlash today from his plan? >> reporter: you know what, interestingly it doesn't seem like he did. we know that conservatives are not happy with the idea that their own house republican leadership proposed a plan that includes $800 billion in new revenue. we have seen -- reported on it extensively yesterday and the day before about the e-mail alerts that conservative groups have put out, republican senator jim demint was up-front about the fact he's not happy about it. however, when it comes to speaker boehner's own republican conference, as it is called, we're told they met for an hour and there wasn't backlash, that they were united behind him. it seems as though, brooke, that the speak
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 11:00am PST
tom cole who broke ranks with republicans by embracing president obama's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy stuck to his guns this morning. >> if we can give the american people an early christmas present, if they can listen to the debate instead of be worried that their own taxes are going to go up, i think that actually strengthens our hand. i haven't changed my mind. i'm not going to come out here and be disingenuous to people. i think it would be a step in the right direction. >> today john boehner expressed disappointment at where the negotiations stand. as our first read team points out, by siding with the white house tom cole may be helping boehner get the deal he wants. joining me now, political editor mark murray. why do you think tom cole has strengthened the speaker's position, negotiating position he goes in with? >> it has given john boehner some cover. you now have a conservativconse albeit establishment member of the house republican party who is essentially going to the left of john boehner. of course, john boehner has basically said, look, i disagree with tom
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 8:00am PST
. >>> this hour, president obama is on the ground in pennsylvania trying to build public support for his tax proposal. but that's just one part of the fiscal cliff debate. the other side of this, the massive spending cuts that have now educators ringing the alarm. they warn of increased class sizes, the elimination of after-school and summer school programs, libraries could close, all this as the u.s. tries to close an achievement gap. joining me now to continue our education nation conversation, world-renowned educator dr. steve perry, also host of tv one's "save my son." steve, it's great to have you here. the secretary of education, arne duncan, has said that 9 million students would be affected by the cuts including nearly 2 million that are already living in this country in poverty. when we talk about special education needs for the kids of our country, we're essentially about to take away resources from the students that need it most. however, we're not talking enough about that. >> one of the reasons why there's even a conversation about cuts is not so much because there's less money
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 9:00pm PST
a whole, whole lot more in taxes now that mr. obama has won a second term. and mr. adelson says he intends to double his spending on conservative causes with a particular focus on anti-union measures in the states. labor unions played a big part in mr. adelson's conversion to democrat to republican kingmaker. he fought with members picketing outside his hotel in las vegas. he tried to fight them in courtç until find the supreme court declined to take his case. in testimony for the nevada state ethics commission, future democratic congresswoman and unsuccessful candidate shelly berkeley said adelson had told her, "old democrats were with the union and he wanted to break the back of the union, subsequently he had to break the back of the democrats." that fight, the war with labor changed sheldon adelson from being just another social liberal on the sidelines of politics to sheldon adelson, contributor on an historic scale to republicans who do not share his social values and this goes to a fundamental truth about the republican party. which is that the republican party in its current incarn
CW
Dec 5, 2012 9:00pm CST
barack obama suppresses his case today for a tax hike to help reduce the deficit. we are not insisting on rates just out of spite or any kind of partisan victory but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> and he made that pitch to several wealthy ceos he wants to raise taxes on the top 2 percent of income earners and he believes this will help raise the government's 16 trillion dollar debt coupled with spending cuts but the republican controlled house says the president has not responded to their latest proposal. >> i think we made a good-faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue and frankly it was the balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. erick kanter announced today there will be no adjournment into a credible solution to the fiscal cliff is found. >> house lawmakers proposed a bill today they claim will bring the costs under control and provide a safe retirement, it creates two groups of public employees those hired before 2011 and those hired sin
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 3:00pm EST
the problems. good to have you both with us. thanks for joining us. seth, president obama's plan is advocating tax increases but almost no net spending cuts. how do you resolve this crisis without cutting spending significantly? >> well, i don't think that's true at all. there's substantial spending cuts. i mean, first of all, we've already cut spending by $1.5 trillion as part of the first part of this deficit reduction framework. also in his offer is another $400 billion in cuts, targeted cuts to health care programs. i really think that we shouldn't, like you said, take the knife to fundamental programs like medicare and social security. the president's plan is the plan he presented to the american people and won the election on. certainly, the plans they would cut or fundamentally restructure medicare, those proposals -- >> i don't think that's what we're talking about, seth. >> does that do anything to the debt? >> that's a great question, maria. that's the biggest challenge with this proposal that the president put out. he's actually talking about new spending. additional payroll benefit
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 3:00pm EST
owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that view that they should give into what the president is suggesting, at least temporarily, and continue to negotiate on the rest because there's a lot of political pain here for republicans if we do get to the point where we go over the cliff because of those higher tax rate pateryers, guys. >> all right, eamon. thank you. >> the talk continues, but none of it face to face. be sure to catch a live interview with on
CNN
Dec 2, 2012 3:00pm PST
ran on, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their own money to make sure that president obama, his policies made it to the white house. you know, it was the exact opposite in just the republicans. some of the red states were some of the poorest states in the country. so i think it is very interesting that when you see average american citizens who happen to be making a little bit more money willing to sacrifice for the good of the country, i think that's a good message and something to get behind and stand on. >> lz, our producers are here, can we keep them over the break? i want to be the mediator, do we have time for that? can we do th
MSNBC
Dec 1, 2012 9:00am PST
it as well. >>> from there to washington, and new today president obama taking his message directly to the public amid the fierce fiscal cliff fight. after holding a campaign-like stop in pennsylvania friday, the president today is urging congress to extend middle class tax cuts in his weekly address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate's already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. >> the gop is also out today with new criticism of the president's plan. here's republican senator orrin hatch of utah. >> what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in new stimulus spending. and an unlimited, unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't recall him asking for any of that during the presidential campaign. >> j
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 9:00am EST
including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election you were asked whether if obama won, taxes would have to go up. you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you've -- you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table. as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> right. so my question is, what -- what message do you have for people who look at the negotiating position and see that it's -- or believe that it's inevitable that you'll have to accept some compromise like the actual rates? >> revenue is on the table. but revenue was only on the table if there were serious spending cuts as part of this agreement. it has to be part of the agreement. we have a debt crisis. we're spending too much. and while we're willing to put revenue on the table, we have to recognize, it's the spending that's out of control. >> mr. speaker, roughly what size spending cuts do you think it would take to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, and do you think that at least the promise of sp
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am PST
, no deal in sight. president obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans as speaker boehner lashes out over his budget plan. >>> hillary clinton is the lead candidate for 2016, a new poll shows. she keeps saying no, no, no. but will she heed the call? >> yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. >>> new details on the murde murder/suicide involving kansas city chief jovan belcher. what the 911 calls reveal about the slaying of his girlfriend. >>> what you should absolutely stay away from. >>> packed show for you this morning. jeb henserling is joining us. american federation of teachers and our guest as well is randi weingarten. "starting point" begins right now. >>> morning. welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning, president obama says he will not bend in this fiscal cliff debate. americans face the prospect of severe tax hikes, spending cuts if republicans and democrats can't get together to work out some deal. congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. if they don't extend that, it will be ten days from then that we fall off the fiscal cliff. >> if we're going to
CNBC
Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm EST
was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a deal? >> well with, we're going to have less spending in the economy next year, which is going to slow down growth, which is where a bear market will come in, but not right away. there's so much negative senti
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 12:00pm PST
his taxes spike if the obama plan passes. >> this notion of $250,000 being top 2% or the wealthy people in america ignores the way most small businesses work in america. our company has figured out how to survive in this economy and how to be successful in this economy. the first thing we'll want to do with any income that i have is tax it? that's uncertainty. >> kristen welker is at the white house. critics said the president wasn't pushing a bald deal focusing more on taxes than spending. now the white house is out with its formal debt proposal which mitch mcconnell says he laughed at when tim geithner showed to him. what's so funny? >> reporter: to put the plan into context, first of all, this is the president's opening bid. and essentially comes after he's feeling emboldened by his re-election knowing there's not a whole lot in here that republicans will like off the bat. so just to take a look he it specifics, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in entitlement cuts. $50 billion in new stimulus. and then a proposal to end congress' control of the debt limit. republicans
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 6:00am EST
people. >> did you see this, obama is flexible on highest tax rates. >> administration official. white house officials later signaled that. he didn't signal it in anything he said. >> i spoke to a couple who were at the meeting yesterday, some of the executives, who felt, and this is like the implied feeling that he was now more willing to deal on the highest rate. >> did you hear anything about spending cuts or entitlement reform? >> two conversations are taking place. one if the public trying to get them behind you. the other is whether you're actually saying to the people you're negotiating with. and when you saw the signal, it was like, okay, maybe they'll get to that, i don't know, 37% or 500,000 or something. what we had been talking about two weeks ago. maybe that's where they're headed. stocks did gain ground on optimism around the idea that we could reach some sort of a deal to overt the fiscal cliff. the dow closing more than 100 points higher after being down by more than that during the session. a swing like that hasn't happened since october 2011. u.s. equity futures at th
CNN
Dec 1, 2012 2:00pm PST
obama says he is ready to make a deal but wouldn't accept continued tax cuts for the wealthiest people. >>> the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but, it is unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the economy. >> they agreed that tax cuts should be renewed for everybody making less than $250,000 a year. but democrats want the tax cuts for the very wealthy to expire. >>> and reigniting the trayvon martin debate,
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 3:00am PST
taxes to that. tea party 2 will dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically what grover nor 0 quist is saying there to the members of the tea party who were elected, have been elected, we'll take everybody who is against us into a primary on the right on the republican side. >> right. >> and so the threat has been issued already. >> that was the point. >> this is like political terrorism. >> well, it's certainly a clear bargaining position. i remember talking to a longtime member of the house running for the senate we were talking about something else, and i said is it worse than when you came in, which was in the late '80s? and he said the central difference is in the caucus, the republican kcaucus. the fear is not a democratic challenge, it's a primary challenge. it's the first time i heard the verb to be primaried. you can ask senator lugar about this. it's real. it's becoming increasingly difficult to cast one or two compromise votes even early on because of this he cecho chambe that kicks in and, to me, what's so scary about it is the president's second term
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 10:00pm PST
that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not now. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc director and msnbc analyst. you introduced today in the house a discharge petition which is a way for normally the minority to try to get, to force a vote on something that the leadership doesn't want. this petition would basically bring to a vote in the house the bill that the senate passed, which is basically the president's version of the tax structure that he would like to see. what's happening with
CNN
Dec 4, 2012 9:00am PST
on president obama's call to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. here's what the president told bloomberg's white house correspondent about that. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. you know he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenue but was he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the platte it doesn't work. when i've said is, i am prepared to work with the speaker and democrats and republicans to go after excessive health care costs in our federal health care system, we're going to have to strengthen those systems and i think we can do that without hurting seniors, without hurting beneficiaries. i think that, you know, there's probably more cuts that we can squeeze out, though we've made over a trillion worth of spending cuts. >> you'll remember only a week ago the democrats proposed their solution to this and it was rejected by the republicans. the president is reiterating that taxes have to go up on the nation's top 2% in order to get the deal in their opinion, to avoid the fiscal cliff. i think you can fi
CNN
Nov 29, 2012 12:00am PST
involved. is there a principle or bloody minded news. we shall not pay anymore taxes ever. >> at some point there is just too much tax. we are a long way from that. let's look at earned income tax. they are lower now. all president obama is doing is saying let's go from 35% to 39.6% the same as it was under president clinton the economy did very well and it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over $250,000 would be a trillion dollar over the next ten years. >> $1 trillion is not to be sniffed at. some broke with the leadership and urged his party to extend the tax cuts to ensure that their taxes don't go up. he has a point there. who cares. >> sure, there is a point in there, i might dispute the numbers. i would argue, as the members of my party, that we have a spending problem as opposed to a revenue problem to my friend steve's remark about the clinton tax rates that sounds great to go back to 39%. but, actually, those budgets bear little resemblance to the tax rates. remember, in the latter clinton years, we were roughly at peace time and two, they
CNN
Dec 3, 2012 11:00am PST
, which president obama has called a nonstarter. so what if we raised taxes a little bit? still be much lower than what americans paid just a generation ago. in 1980, the wealthiest americans paid a marginal tax rate of 70% of their income to uncle sam. now, tax reform under president reagan reduced that rate to 50% and in 1981, and closer to current levels in 1986. today, president obama wants to let the bush era tax cuts expire for wealthy americans only, taking up their marginal federal tax rate from 36% to 39.6%. we're talking about a 3.6 percentage point uptick for households making more than $250,000 a year, only on every dollar they make above the $250,000 amount. starts 2 s at $251,000. it is on the money you make on the margin. now, while i totally agree every penny counts when it comes to your money, when you compare that to the taxes most americans paid out in past decades, when there was phenomenal economic growth, i don't get why republicans are screaming bloody murder about this 3.6%. what if we were all to chip in a little more. we need taxes, we need government programs,
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 10:00am PST
bid, president obama hits the philadelphia suburbs campaigning hard for his plan to raise taxes on the rich. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for a handful of members of congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper incomes to go up. that doesn't make sense. >> the speaker was quick to respond. increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that need to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. we're willing to put revenues on the table, closing loopholes and not raising rates. we think it's better for the economy, pure and simple. >> and just now, hitting the jackpot. the small town missouri couple who have had more than their share of hard times win the powerball and with the great american generous spirit are taking it in stride. >> our main concern is our family and, of course, and we have a very large family and then next is our charities we'll be giving to. yeah. it's like how much does a person need? >> and is this man who went to a mary
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am PST
to a tax revenue target well below the $1.6 trillion obama has demanded over the next decade. hello. open door anybody? that door on rates is clearly not entirely shut on the republican side nor on the president's side. "the post" lays out a scenario in which the house could adopt two competing bills, one extending the bush rates for everyone including the wealthy. the other extending the bush rates just for those making less than $250,000 a year. it gives republicans the opportunity to vote on both bills. both bills would then go to the senate. which would just pass the middle class tax cut bill or the house would end up passing what the senate already passed and that other bill just goes to die. so with it looking less and less likely washington will go over the cliff, that's gone. here are the real questions now. one, how big a deal will the parties make before the end of the year? two, have republicans stumbled into what could be political leverage at least in the short term? if all republicans do is extend the middle class tax cuts, punting the rest of this fight to february, when th
FOX Business
Dec 6, 2012 9:20am EST
that issue. with the deal that involves raising tax rates president obama is ready over the cliff. joining as well, congresswoman martian blackwell. if given a choice would you take no deal of fall and over the cliff or you take a deal that includes higher tax rates on the rich? >> to raise tax rates on anybody is the wrong step. what we have said for a long time is cut the spending. look at revenue. stuart: i have today on this. would you absolutely positively say no, i will not vote for raising tax rates on the rich. i would rather go over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't want to go over the fiscal cliff, but i am not for raising the tax rates. you are not getting to the heart of the problem. it is continuing to sweep of the rock. stuart: you may come to a point where that is the twisted your facing. if he don't say yes on raising tax rates we will go over the cliff. when the going to do if push comes to shove at the very end of this month. >> and what we're trying to do them all we have been trying to do for years is to not come to this point. had we been addressing the need for a pro-growt
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 10:00am PST
says the obama administration is compared to go over the cliff if taxes on the wealthy don't something up. it's our "news nation" gut check. do you agree? [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you wanted. like a spoon fork. spray cheese. and jeans made out of sweatpants. so grab yourself some new prilosec otc wildberry. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. >>> hi, everyone. i'm tamron hall. the "news nation" is following developing news right now. the president is in northern virginia rig
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 6:00am EST
president obama's proposal which includes a $1.6 trillion tax increase, a $50 billion economic stimulus package and new power to increase the debt ceiling without congressional approval. the offer featured higher tax rates for households making over $250,000 a year. a one year postponement of the sequester and about $400 billion in savings over ten years for medicare and other entitlement programs. >> despite the claims that the president supports a -- >> thousand is the time fnow is republicans to move past the happy talk about revenues, ill defined, of course, and put specifics on the table. the president has made his proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> today president obama is taking his pitch on the road. he will be visiting the philadelphia suburbs employing campaign style tactics in hopes of mobilizing the public to his side. he'll be speaking at a manufacturing facility arguing that businesses it depend on middle class consumers over the holiday season. despite all this, you see the futures today indicating higher. dow up by about 35. does that surprise you guys? >> no, i
CNN
Nov 29, 2012 5:00pm PST
the obama recovery seven times more than the bottom 80%, cover and carry 60% of the tax burden. what is fair? 100%? if you took -- if republicans agreed today with president obama's suggestion to do this -- raise the money on the rich, the job creators, i call them job creators and growth creators, you call them the evil rich or whatever, we would be -- save enough money or raise enough revenues to run the government for eight and a half days. that doesn't make any sense. plus, the president is announcing that he doesn't even want to put it towards deficit spending. he wants to do new spending, new stimulus, new infrastructure, new education. there's not one word of entitlement reform, social security reform, medicare reform. the structural debt. let me tell you what the leverage is, cornel. you want to know what the heart of the electorate is? it's the senate democrats who are elected in the last midterms and the senate democrats that were elected this time on a debt reform, spending reform, entitlement reform. those are your senate democrats who couldn't even pass something that was half a
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 6:00am EST
is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll tell you you why. >> when did you switch? >> this is a while ago. the reason why, number one -- it's a growth story. >> do you like the natural gases play ms in small cap? >> the way we've invested, we haven't been looking at producers. we're looking at users of natural gas. i think that's been a little bit better. >> we'll hit that break at 6:50, the one that we keep -- >> let's do it. >> and write a six minute tease for that break. i'm going to have time to read the entire thing and people at the end of that tease, no one will leave before 7:00. >> because we never listen to the producers. >> the only reason people watch us i
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00pm EST
is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we appreciate it. of course we'll be looking at this market and whether or not it loses the steam come the big rally today. ticktock, ticktock on the fiscal cliff. my thoughts on the story from timothy geithner. guess what, folks. i think we're going over the cliff. back in a moment. are system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unite
CNBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am EST
? >> it is interesting if you look at the negotiations that president obama offered this massive tax increase with no concessions and this sort of outrageous request on the debt limit which was a really aggressive first offer. and then the republican s countered with a moderate reasonable plan exactly modeled after a proposal by erskine bowles. so if you're trying to handicap the negotiations, you'd have to concede that dana is on to something. >> really. so -- >> at least like the starting point. so basically the starting point for the republicans is what president obama probably would have viewed as a victory if they had the negotiation. >> yeah, he wanted another 400 supposed supposedly. how does simpson-bowles get to -- how does it raise revenue? what's the number that it raises? >> well, it depends because they have a bunch of different simpson-bowles plans. like in the bowles-simpson report, there are three different tax plans and then the thing that the republicans modeled after was something that bowles said in a hearing. >> it's interesting when you look at what these plans are laid
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